Japanese women dream of the USA
DIMSDRIVE performed internet-based research involving 5,274 people in September of last year to find out which country’s citizens would people most want to marry. It is not stated whether or not the people interviewed were single or not.
The Asia versus the West split is quite noticeable in the men, but really striking amongst the women. I previously translated statistics regarding international marriages in Japan that shows that the ideals being expressed here do not seem to be realised.
On a slight tangent, I watched the last episode of an NHK English learning program which features an English-speaking Western blonde angel that prods a clueless office worker along the path to success at her job getting a date with her transferred from New York colleague, the ideal tall, muscular, tanned, well-coiffured white executive. The angel’s job was done because the glaikit Misaki finally pulled her man.
Q: Other than Japanese, which country’s people do you think would be good to have as a partner (husband or wife)? (Sample size=5,274, free answer)
Rank Votes 1 USA 1,144 2 Korea 505 3 UK 442 4 Italy 370 5 France 344 6 Australia 218 7 Germany 203 8 China 197 9 Canada 150 10 Russia 120 Q: Other than Japanese, which country’s people do you think would be good to have as a partner (husband or wife)? (By sex, free answer)
Rank MaleN=2,468 Votes Rank FemaleN=2,806 Votes 1 USA 368 1 USA 776 2 Korea 297 2 UK 347 3 China 174 3 Italy 278 4 France 134 4 France 210 5 Russia 117 5 Korea 208 6 Thailand 99 6 Australia 145 7 UK 95 7 Germany 131 8 Italy 92 8 Canada 99 9= Taiwan 73 9 Switzerland 47 9= Australia 73 10 Spain 34 First, looking at the East-West split - or more accurately, perhaps, the caucasian-Asian split (I’m not aware of any black Western role-models in Japan) we see that for men, 36% of the total votes were for Western wives versus 26% for Asian women, favouring the West (I’m including Russia, with Maria Sharapova as the popular image of the country) by just over a third. However for women there is a marked difference; about 74% in total choose the West (over 40% for the USA alone) versus a mere 7.4% for the East, a massive ten to one vote for Europe and the USA.
Next, looking at the detailed age breakdown, it’s only in the teenage girls group that the USA fails to top the charts, losing out to France and Korea, and equal with the UK. For men in their twenties, American women are preferred over the second-placed Korean women by almost 60%, and the Chinese are back in fifth, gaining just over a third of the number of votes of the USA. However, the older men get, the stronger the charms of the Asian neighbours become, with the gap at its smallest being just a mere three votes. Similarly, for men in their forties and over, Chinese women cut the gap from a third to about a half of the USA score.
For women, as they get older (ignoring the over sixty bracket which has a very small sample size, so may be rather inaccurate) the attraction to American men only get stronger; in their twenties, Americans get just under a quarter of the vote, but by their fifties, it surpasses three in ten. Despite the charms of the disturbingly Harry Potter-like Bae Yong Joon Korean men do not seem to be particularly favoured by the middle-aged demographic.
These two main trends noted above are perhaps reflections on Japanese society as much as on foreign stereotypes. The younger men hold images of themselves as charming the sophisticated Western woman, but as they age (and visit dodgy hostess bars…) they come to realise that perhaps only Asian women could accept their typical Japanese behaviour. For women, after having been around Japanese men for many, many years, they too may come to realise that the Western stereotypes of politeness and chivalry are the only things that could satisty them in marriage.
Bonus points if you can name the people pictured…
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Lee said,
January 14, 2007 @ 09:51
Delboy, I should add that the cesspool that is rap music today will not last. It will be gone, sooner rather than later, and replaced by a different rap, hopefully more innovative and enjoyable. Something asians, europeans and africans can enjoy and that americans can be proud to say they helped give to the world. And hopefully the youth and others in those countries, and this one, will know, or be taught, to make the connection that this is the same culture that spawned Jimi Hendrix, Ophrah Winfrey, Jesse Jackson, Condoleeza Rice, Muddy Waters, Martin Luther King, Jr.,John Lee Hooker and James Brown.
Silky said,
January 14, 2007 @ 19:10
I was about to give Lee some kudos until he called rap music a cesspool…like my grandfather use to say “you dont know what you dont know”.
Delboy said,
January 15, 2007 @ 07:45
Lee, you could start an argument in an empty room. You seem to be confusing argument put in the forum as my very own views. Like I said I find it awful that Africans at times can look down on other Black people. But that doesn’t stop you claiming that I am snobbish and that I am brain washed. That did make me laugh. You then go on to explain why I have reservations about Hip-hop popularity amongst black youth across the world. Hip-hop is cultural art form that is being fuelled by white youth wanting rebellious fantasies that is altering black youth in the US and across the world. That was what I objected to. I wasn’t saying that it is black Americans causing this problem as you seemed to be suggesting. I was saying. These mostly white record companies get a poor black guy from the ghetto and then get him to rap about themes that either lower aspirations or place too much important on the possession of material goods rather than the pursuit of intellectual endeavour. If you look at Maslow’s motivation development hierarchy, most rappers only cover subjects at the bottom of this hierarchy (Look the full hierarchy up to understand this point). Consider rap is about the usage of words why are there so few rappers that went to college? You can draw parallels between hip-hop artists of today and a group of great British marketing men that came up together in the 1960s. These were men that didn’t go to any colleges of great schools but had a great talent for marketing. People like Ridley and Tony Scott and many others that ended up being movie directors. They were the top marketing men in the world over the 60s, 70s, 80s and early 90s in the US and UK. They did some of the most successful advertising campaigns in the world and were responsible for most of the adverting magazines and TV for well over 3 decades. One of them said that despite his success and wealth he felt enormous regret about their career in advertising. He said because they didn’t have a great education they did not question what they were advertising and felt regret that it was this group that made smoking and drinking cool and help turn America and the UK into a materialistic society. I only hope when Puffy Daddy, Jay-Z and 50 Cent feel a similar sense of guilt when they reach their late 60s.
You also state that immigrants tend to be middle class and educated which explains why West Africans are performing well in school in comparison to other black groups. This might be true if applied to the American model, but how does this work when applied to the UK? West Africans came to the UK at about the same time as the Caribbean community in the 1950s. So how can this explain why 2nd, 3rd and 4th Generation West Africans are one of the best performing groups in the UK in education and fastest growing economically, while Caribbean generations are still the worst performing? I don’t believe it is genetic, but in my own opinion (yes this is my personal so you can object to this view) it is down to something you mention in your post.
You said that you tell other black people not to consider themselves African and remove the Afro from American to show they are real Americans because of the baggage that carries. Well this is exactly what the Caribbean community has been doing this in the UK for well over 50 years. British Caribbean considers Britain to be the mother country rather than Africa. This leads to a great sense of psychological displacement in Caribbean youth, especially boys. There is this kind of embarrassment in saying your origins are African, because this means you are a slave and leads them having a low esteem of themselves (It doesn’t help that all they learn about Black history in schools is slavery and Martin Luther King). If you don’t have a pride in your origins how can you have a pride in yourself? It is already hard enough to be a teenager with hormones, but when you add these psychology and social issues it is going to be harder to study in school. Many black people of Caribbean origin do very well in school, but they have to be mentally tougher and more determined due to this other level of issues. The only real difference I see in West Africans is they have a far greater pride in themselves and that just gives them a higher level of self-esteem, whether or not it is based on truth. A good book for you to read is Black Gold of the Sun by Ekow Shun to give you an idea of what is like to grow up in Britain black from an intellectual point of view. I think you would like it.
You also talk about poverty in the US and the UK. I only questioned whether you have a passport because only 10% of Americans have a passport which is ridiculous low, meaning you were more likely not to have 1 than have 1 according to this stat. But speaking of stats you quote some by claiming that there are the same levels of poverty in the UK as the USA. Have you ever been to the UK? I doubt it because if you had you wouldn’t have been silly enough to try and make that claim. The minimum wage in the UK is $10 per hour; the annual average wage is $45000 (which is much higher in reality) and has the lowest unemployment in the western world. Well I have been to America many times and know plenty of people who have gone too. As British people we all say the same thing, the level of poverty in American is far worst than anything they would experience in the UK. I wish I could put photos on this thing and show you the bad areas in the UK. The poorest place in the entire UK is East London officially. The two poorest boroughs in the entire UK are Newham and Hackney that are right next to each other on the East side of London. Yes these areas are very working class with some crime, but they are also bohemian art centres full of actors and artists plus the 2012 Olympics is happening in those boroughs. I somehow don’t think Olympics would be allowed to go a place in America like Compton. Plus don’t confuse poverty with disposable income, because if you use UN figures, which I suspect you did because I saw similar figures in a misleading UN report. London is the most expensive city in the world therefore despite people on low incomes earning far more money than people on low incomes pretty much across the world. I have a friend who earns around $4000 a month and has to pay $3000 on rent. On that UN report she would be consider in poverty, despite being an architect.
You also state there are more influential black in America than in Britain I can’t argue with that it is true. I think UK is the best advert for affirmative action in the world. I read recently that for the first time in American history 1/3 of black Americans are middles class or higher, which is great, but in the UK it is 60% of black people. Despite this higher percentage there are less black people in positions of power in the UK because there are no positive discriminations laws and despite the UK being a less prejudice society than America. Part of this is to do with class too, because Britain isn’t totally a classless society and a lot of high level positions tend to go to very posh people. The people you mentioned got to where they are without help. But things are changing in Britain especially with black intellectual middles class getting bigger and wealthier in the West African community. There is a memoir I read of a CIA agent and he stated that the USA government had to support the Israel and Irish IRA whatever they did because American Jews and Irish had the power to influence government policy through voting. But this Agent said he felt African American had let Africa down by not exerting their influence on American Government in the same way therefore allowing the USA government to put in place policies that were to the detriment of African countries. Well it was the British government that prompted the 7 richest nations in the world to cancel the debts of Africans, which were given almost illegal interest rates on loans that stopped them developing, due to public pressure. In case you didn’t know there are more West Africans in the UK than there are in the USA. Due to the UK government knowing that Africans are is one of the fastest developing grows in Britain, the government has suddenly put in place a wave of pro-African policy hoping to stay in power. Given the choice of a handful of very successful black people or a group of people to able to influence government decisions, I would take the latter.
By the way you reference to Michael Collins was obviously a lame attempt to be offensive. When will you Americans understand that the troubles in North Ireland was really an Irish versus the English war, as it started off being but a essential a disagreement between the pro-British Irish and pro-independent Irish. Most and I mean a near 98% of English people couldn’t careless whether Northern Ireland is part of the UK or not.
Hey lets talk about pretty Asian girls but if you are in London Lee I will buy you a drink and we can have a big discussion then. I don’t think our points of view are as different and you like to believe.
I like you feel Hip-hop doesn’t have much time unless it becomes more intellectual like Kanye West. Sales of hip-hop have severely declined in the UK because A) people would rather download it and B) white kids have become bored with it. Am I the only person in the world that gets angry when I see a hip-hop artist going to South Africa claiming they are going back to their roots, when most African Americans originate from West Africa. But they are in South Africa because there are more white people to buy their music than in Ghana, Nigeria, Senegal or Ivory Coast.
Silky said,
January 15, 2007 @ 14:00
Out of the top 4 movies this weekend 3 are about black people.Again 3 out of 4 of the top 4
movies in America is about black people.This is incredible.After democrats took over congress
in the November election some very powerful committees will be chaired by blacks…House ways and means,Homeland Security,and majority whip.Two black coaches will lead teams to the NFC championship after winning this weekend..Black teenage pregnancy is down 40%.A survey of black middle class(which is 64% not 1/3) believes they are better off than last year.A Black Enterprise Magazine study concluded in 2005 that rap music had no eroding effect of the number of blacks with career choices of teachers,scientists,doctors,engineers,businessmen/women etc.Rap music only save the ones who otherwise may have been a liablility to the system.The biggest Hollywood actor who can garner the most money is ,no it not Tom Cruise but Will Smith (rapper turned actor).I just believe black people are getting a raw deal from people which pen is mightier than the tongue.
1.”Stomp the Yard,” $22 million…about blacks
2. “Night at the Museum,” $17.1 million
3. “The Pursuit of Happyness,” $9.1 million….about blacks
4. “Dreamgirls,” $8.1 million….about blacks
Silky said,
January 15, 2007 @ 14:16
Also the movie “Stomp the Yard” is made by Sony…how ironic for this board dont you think.
Lee said,
January 15, 2007 @ 15:25
Delboy (and the pretty asian girls), at the risk of arguing in an empty room
-you misinterpreted most of what I was saying. I did NOT say that i “tell other black people not to consider themselves African and remove the Afro from American to show they are real Americans because of the baggage that carries.” That’s your mistaken reading or interpretation of what i said; i don’t know how you didn’t understand my meaning, but maybe I wasn’t clear. Black americans don’t have to SHOW they are real americans, because they ARE real americans. There would not be what we call America without black people (and indians and the british) developing this culture since 1608. I was using a writer’s ‘literary flair’, if you will, by writing about not being fooled by the afro part of afro-american. I guess i didn’t give that passage much literary flair and just confused you. The afro part tells you where our ancestors came from. But we are not africans. Just as no one refers to an American as an English or British person, no one should call an Afro-American(or black American) an African person. I think you would probably agree with this. Ralph Ellison wrote an excellent essay on this back in the day.
-My use of michael collins was not an attempt to be offensive. He is a hero of liberation and anti-imperialism. He did what the Mau Mau did. And what the South Africans did. And what the Americans did in the Revolutionary War. Most of the time with liberation movements you also have those in the colonized group who want to maintain their colonized status, even if it’s ‘neo-colonialist’ in nature. Usually these people perceive they have the most to lose economically and politically by breaking from the colonial power. And while I wish these political things could be solved without violence, it often can’t, unfortunately.
-YOU mentioned the success of recent West African immigrants and I was giving you a reason. Read your previous post again. You mentioned the success of ‘later immigrants.’ I point out that immigrants come with a fierce drive to succeed (takes a lot of motivation to leave one’s home country), and tend to come with either education, money(or at least don’t tend to be broke), or the drive to get these. In the US the recent immigrants too are more successful in general, including caribbean, african, asians and whites. Regardless of race, that immigrant drive and excitement about new prospects counts for a lot. It doesn’t have anything to do with any supposed stigma from slavery as you repeatedly point out that people have told you. I laugh when I hear that. I pointed out, in my first response to your request, why that is such a silly argument. But, that slavery thing is something that many africans throw around, I believe, because they want to conceptually ‘raise themselves above’ others of african ancestry. This I believe is related to the very bad reputation that many africans, particularly nigerians, and their countries (and continent) tend to have. It embarrasses them. You know the reputation nigerians have, both in and out of africa. In addition, the country’s history defined by coup after coup: Sani Abacha, Babangida, Ironsi, Gowon; country rich in oil while the level of deprivation is embarrassing. Ghana too, marred by coups, although the last coup leader, Jerry Rawlings, has been known as the coup buster for foiling many coups against him (and did transition to civilian rule). If you want to know the problems of caribbean youth or others with lack of success in your country (and how to change it) I think you should look to the more recent past and more locally. It would be more useful to look at what’s going on in their homes with their parents and relatives and the values they are being raised with, as opposed to looking for an explanation in some ancient history of slavery. This applies to the US as well.
-I was not trying to say that US and Britain have same level of poverty. That was not my point. I simply gave some stats that I remembered from 2-3 years ago (I’m probably off by a couple of percentage points) to show that both of these major industrialized countries have poverty that needs to be addressed, but addressed within the context of their political and economic systems. It would be a specious example for me to compare US poverty with Hatian poverty and say that I would rather be poor in the US. Or to compare US poverty with poverty in India and say that I would rather be poor in the US. Those are not particularly useful comparisons. One must compare US poverty with what the US professes to be and should be. In the same way, British poverty should be judged against what Britain professes to be and should be. It can be misleading and not very useful to compare poverty in these two countries to poor countries, and is not very useful to the poor in the US and Britain to compare them to each other. I pointed out unfortunate similarities, namely that these two wagers of war in the Middle East have poverty at home that needs to be addressed. But addressed within the context of each particular country.
I hold Britain in very high regard, and admire it very much including its health system and other aspects of its “social compact”, and I like the fact that there are more than two political parties in parliament. As you know in the US we only have two political parties and most of the time there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the two. But I have to admit I was VERY disheartened when Blair decided to follow Bush to war.
Anyway, I guess the Rastas would call this a “reasoning session.” (but without the spliffs)
BTW Silky, I stand by that comment about rap. I would only change it to read that the overwhelming majority of rap is a cesspool. In addition to the sexism and irresponsibility, most of the songs, especially the popular major sellers, are at the level of a 10 or 12 year old. I dont even like Kanye, I’m turned off by his use of the nxxx word and how repetitious he is. I have been a fan for years of Cee Lo (he was the only one worth anything in Goodie Mob). I’ve had to repurchase his solo album ‘Perfect Imperfections’ several times over the last few years because I warped it from played it so much. Incidentally, those in the know realize that Andre 3000 on ‘Speakerbox’ was trying to ‘pull a Cee Lo.’ I think Cee Lo as a lyricist is probably the best out there. I was not surprised by the Gnarls Barkley thing. You wouln’t be either if you had bought ‘Perfect Imperfections’ back in the day. But his use of that word has disappointed me too. Cee Lo and Zach de la Rocha( Rage Against the Machine) have taken hip hop in positive, and different directions.
Okay ’nuff said. Yes, it would be nice to hear from some japanese women on their dating experiences. Hopefully this digression hasn’t turned them away. Come on…
Lee said,
January 16, 2007 @ 07:52
Okay, Delboy (and the pretty Asian girls
), I couldn’t resist:
I hope it is clear to you, Delboy, that my comment on poverty is meant to show that it is not useful to pit the British poor against the American poor, just as it’s not useful to compare British or US poverty with poverty in the third world (that’s why i gave the haiti and india example). It’s not helping the poor in the US and Britain to say that Britain’s poor is better off than US poor or vice versa (may I say that that’s a House of Lords analysis?
). The thing is, both countries DO have poor people, as defined by the governments of US and Britain (and the expectations of both populations). Each country has to evaluate its poverty level, whether its 20% or 10% or whatever, in the context of its own populations expectations, and hopefully eliminate it. Within group analysis can sometimes lead to misleading conclusions and dangerous complacency when comparing across groups.
You said that in black america there is the idea that being educated makes you a “white wanna be”. But that is one of those false ideas that gained traction in the media, most likely during the 80s when many other fantasies were fed to the American public (and thereby the world). Such as the “welfare queens” who supposedly drove a fancy new car while collecting welfare benefits. Well, this was false, as their were no such people. The image served the whims of the right-wing to anger the public as a means to cut social programs. That was part of the constant attack on the indigent in this country. So just because some reporter may have gotten some young knucklehead to talk about acting white, doesn’t make it a real issue. The press is famous for either creating these false calamities, or creating the idea in news articles where they take on a life of their own (a meme) and then even students and others start to repeat the meme, although it may not actually be a part of their reality. I bet you have not had one black american tell you that being educated makes him or her feel like a “white wanna be.” But I bet you’ve heard someone say they heard someone say they heard somewhat say that they overheard somebody saying that being educated makes him feel like a white wannabe. Speaking as a person that grew up with modest economic means in the US, and was a smart student, and speaking as a person that talks to many students today, there is no ridiculing of these students for ‘acting white.’ They may get ridiculed like many smart kids get ridiculed over the years: for being nerds, geeks, or just uncool. But they will eventually learn, as I did, to embrace your inner nerd. That’s the beginning of acceptance and maturity. It leads to The Birth of the Cool. And nerds eventually rule, as they will find out as young adults and adults. Getting them through that young period with a strong and independent sense of self is one important thing we have to do as adults.
And on the hip hop thing: it’s not just the white record companies that are to blame for the sad state of hip hop. Black record companies are also to blame. Rocafella records, Death Row records, P Diddy, Jay Z, 50 cent, Damon Dash and many other black artists and executives share as much blame as the white executives for the sad state of hip hop, it’s repetitive nature, overall lack of musicianship, and it’s projecting a global negative image.
BTW what did you all think of Rinko Kikuchi in Babel? And the Japan part of that movie?
Walter said,
January 18, 2007 @ 12:13
Umm guys…if you notice you are like sooo off on the subject. The subject is like about cute and sexy Asian girls and here you guys are saying blacks this and blacks that. Oh my God! Who cares?! LMFAO. Just stop commenting on here already guys and have fun with some Asian women. Matter of fact I saw one at school the other day and man she was HOT! OH MY GOD! Lol.
Lee said,
January 18, 2007 @ 14:17
You’re right Walter. That was a SERIOUS tangent. But, really, not totally unrelated to the subject, which actually was not cute and sexy asian girls, but was Ken’s translation of the DIMSDRIVE survey. Remember Ken wrote: “…looking at the East-West split - or more accurately, perhaps, the caucasian-Asian split (I’m not aware of any black Western role-models in Japan)…” So part of the recent posts were in a way related to something possibly, maybe, hinted at in the survey.
Anyway I found the discussion interesting, and enlightening. I’m not afraid to discuss anything with anyone. That’s one way we learn, even if it’s off the original subject. 
So did you talk to that pretty girl at your school?
Silky said,
January 22, 2007 @ 09:37
Classy stuff by Will Smith this week….Also just because you go off on a disjointed incoherent rant doesnt mean any substance is there to be found.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mrgz9NjMhy4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ajg59Y4tK08
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TJ-bFefnzVc
“injustice anywhere is a threat to injustice everywhere.” mlk
Alex said,
January 23, 2007 @ 09:51
Now instead of hearing about J-girls, we had a debate about the difference between the UK and the US. How pointless……The Americans will never accept that the US is in anyway inferior to the UK…….I lived both in London and NY for a while……..London is just slightly tolerant racewise but it is still a racist place….Delboy you have not listened to what the white English middle class and upper class talk about blacks, Asians and greeks. ……Now about education…..In my class there was a couple of Rhodes scholars and they were ever so dim. However the people that I met at MIT or Stanford are exceptional…….
And why did you call yourself Delboy? You don’t sound like an East End geezer to me…….
The reason why J-girls prefer Americans? They represent the West through Hollywood films and American media. Most girls in Asia have no clue about Europe and rarely ever meet any Europeans in their life. They don’t like blacks because of the prejudice handed down since the colonial time and nothing has been done in Asia to change that….
J-boys tend not to marry or even relationship with foreign women because fundamentally their family won’t let them.
angelmatthew said,
January 28, 2007 @ 09:00
hi! I’m a 28 year old american and I just wanted to point out that I find it very interesting that in pretty much every poll that I’ve read about asians they only have the Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Filipino, and from time to time Taiwanese people. Does the world forget about the other asian people? The Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Mongolians, Turkmens, and Nepalese people. They never seem to make it into a poll. I wonder why, the only reason I can guess is because these people live in 2nd and 3rd world countries but never the less, I’m sure some of them marry foreigners and westerners. My girlfriend is Kyrgyz so that is what got me started pondering this question.
Matt
Delboy said,
January 28, 2007 @ 19:57
In response to Lee you are clearly an intelligent man, but just as admirable as recognising positives it is just as useful to recognise negatives. I was in Las Vegas recently to visit an American friend of mine. He is very educated and builds and designs helicopters for a living and with my owns eyes & ears, not influence by the right-wing media, heard another black guy refer to him as a coconut, because he didn’t like basketball, spoke with a non-ghetto accent and liked soccer. Apparently in the USA soccer is a very white middle class sport, which ironic because it is the complete reverse in every other country. I don’t think it is, as you stated, that educated African Americans that feel white but the not so educated African Americans that feel being educated is a white thing. They are clearly the minority in the African American community, but they do exist and to pretend they don’t would be foolish. Why do I hear some many black Americans ridicule the smart educated Will Smith for being too white and praise the idiotic 2 Pac. I know this is largely media influenced, but I know there are black people who hold these views on these famous people. In the UK not even the not so smart black people see being educated or smart as white attributes. This is what I meant about African Americans being far more manipulated due to the history of the country. I’m not saying that most black people in America are like this, as I’m sure you will reply with, but there is a section that do think like this, while in Britain no one thinks like that.
Alex, of course I know the UK still has racism. All I was saying was that the UK has the least open racism in the World or shall I say London has. That doesn’t mean I was saying that the UK is a race blind utopia, but London is the closest you have anywhere in the world. I think the British have this overriding attitude to be polite, so even those that hold racist views don’t express them in public because it is considered the height of rudeness at the very least. Certainly the upper class are very racist because they hardly encounter any black people especially when they live very isolated lives on country estates and hold views on Black and Asian people plus foreigners based from Victorian era. So anyone that is not white is a savage, Americans are uncivilised and stupid, Europeans are lazy and backwards, unless they come from the blond European Countries like Germany and Scandinavia and this is the upper class view of the world. If you know anything about the UK the British upper class is one of the most ridiculed groups for being inbred, stupid and lazy, so many kids from upper class family try and pretend they are from a lower class of people. Middle class racism is maybe getting worst because in the past the UK middle class were very tolerant, but I guess with South Asians British Muslims attempting terrorist attacks. The middle class feels maybe they have been too tolerant and are expressing views about immigration and multiculturalism far more openly than they ever did 5, 10 or 15 years ago. Basically in Britain racism is kept to private conversations and is a bigger taboo in Britain than it is in America. Think about this the BMP is the British equivalent of the KKK and they are always on British TV claiming they are not a racist group, despite the fact they want to outlaw mixed raced relationships and want non-white people to be repatriated and even want black people to join them. I can’t imagine the KKK claiming they are not a racist group and calling on Black to join them. In fact in the last week a British Celebrity has lost all her contracts and sponsorship just because she said Chinese and India people are skinny because they are sick all the time due to under cooking food. In Britain a racist is the worst thing a person can be called and can bring down institutions, companies and people.
Alex I agree with you that Asians prejudice towards blacks is not through their own experiences with black people but through white colonial attitudes towards black people. I stated this in my very early posts.
Americans are not stupid but highly ignorant and the British at times mistake this ignorance of the rest of the world as stupidity, which is wrong. I personal think the British are becoming dumber and dumber because their culture is becoming very americanised so Americans are starting to look smarter in comparison. But a high intelligence American probably isn’t as aware as a high intelligence British person due to the internationalism of British society and the unique position of the UK in the world. The UK has more connections with Asia, African, Australia and Caribbean through old colonial ties, Europe through geography and economics and the USA through culture and language.
By the way I am in the East End of London, but I only used that name because Delboy is the informal version Derek my real name, as you probably know.
Anglematthews I agree that they should look at Asian as a whole for these statistics. Kazakhs for example look very oriental, but because they were a part of the USSR people consider them to European rather than Asian. In the UK when a person says Asian they mean Indian, Pakistani, Bengoli and classify Chinese, Japanese, Koreans and other far easten countries as oriental. It is a little annoying when people miss out whole nations, the same happens with Africa countries. When people think of Africa they think of negative countries like Nigeria, Sudan or South Africa and no one thinks about the nice places like Ghana or Gambia.
Before we spoil Walter’s chances of getting laid we better talk about the blog subject area. Oriental girls are very sexy; many of them are very intelligent and very loving too. This makes Asian women very attractive to men of all colours. Happy now, Watler?
Silky said,
January 29, 2007 @ 18:20
Just let your true roots of your motherland come out…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=33CnaE4×28k
http://youtube.com/watch?v=S1-pEu7Lbws
Lee said,
January 30, 2007 @ 07:15
Delboy, there are always a few or more knuckleheads in any society that thinks negatively on any issue you can think of. You are saying nothing, despite your straining to make a point about… what?
In the US I’ve heard asians talk (and write) about the concept of a ‘banana’ (yellow on outside, white on inside), latinos talk about the concept of a ‘coconut’ (brown on outside, white on inside), I heard Russell Means discuss the concept of the ‘apple’ in Native American culture (red on outside, white on inside), and heard the concept of the ‘oreo’ in black culture (black on outside, white on inside). Here’s several examples of how there are similarly knuckleheaded ideas held by a few in other cultures (or at least the phrase is repeated, even if the idea is not held to be true). So how do these examples jibe with your statement of “being far more manipulated due to the history of the country”?
So what is the point you are trying to make about black american culture, or about a small part of black american culture? Are you saying you are surprised that there are any knuckleheads in black america? Are you saying that there are no knuckleheads in UK? These are just rhetorical questions; ponder them in your quiet time. Here’s something else to ponder in your quiet time with yourself: Is the world image of africans, and related negative image of the african continent, the real “history” and “manipulation” you should focus on, particularly in explaining the quickness with which you use weak analysis to support weak conclusions about black america (ok, or a segment of it) expressed in your last posts? Many would not call ghana a nice place to live, including ghanaians in ghana and abroad.
I’m sorry, but I have to be blunt…Maybe you should just be humble enough to admit that your reasoning is flawed. And unworthy of a great british education. I don’t think you should hold yourself up as a representative of what you called “a high intelligence British person” who is “more aware.” Because you do not seem very aware or capable of nuanced analysis. You make very dubious connections, and your reasoning is surprisingly weak for someone who presents himself as a wordly individual with many passport stamps.
But knowledge is always incomplete, delboy. So there’s hope for you… but only with an open mind and recognition of the need to fill gaps due to ignorance or lack of skill.
Lee said,
January 31, 2007 @ 08:55
And Delboy, I doubt that you are telling the truth about hearing someone call your friend a ‘coconut’. But if you did, it was most likely not uttered by an Afro-American, who most likely would use the term ‘oreo’ or even ‘uncle-tom.’ But those phrases tend not to be used because of someone’s high education status. Most would not call Jesse Jackson, or his son Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr., or ML King an ‘oreo’ or ‘uncle tom’. And these three gentlemen are all highly educated. Those terms ‘oreo’ and ‘uncle tom’ (or coconut or apple) tend to be hurled at someone in the context of political differences, when someone is deemed to be a ‘political traitor’ or ‘political trojan horse’ by the person throwing the phrase. While those terms would not most likely be used against the three people I just mentioned, they were used in reference to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and former Civil Rights Commission chair Clarence Pendleton. Whether or not one finds this unfair to them, the fact is that the terms were used because of their political policies, not their education level. Your example of the helicopter builder and one (nonexistent?) knucklehead is not supporting the original statement you made, in which you said those pursuing educational excellence are being ridiculed; I showed you how that was a non-issue and a self-perpetuating meme. Again, ponder this seriously.
Silky said,
January 31, 2007 @ 15:30
Happy to know you enjoy 2pac..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcnFg1W4iAA
Silky said,
January 31, 2007 @ 16:11
Millions of women love 2pac young,old and every race…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIJq0vWrwRw&mode=related&search=
Keelby said,
February 11, 2007 @ 14:12
What about mexicans?, what you think about mexican women and men? Do you think we are sexy? Would you have mexican couple?
American dude said,
February 12, 2007 @ 16:06
BGFL.
That is my acronym for
Black
Guys
For
Life
but outside of that. I really dig Asian chicks. A lot. I’m white. And American American. Love me or hate me, get jealous that I can buy a gun and I might.
Lee said,
February 14, 2007 @ 00:43
Silky, I was hoping that you would elaborate a little on your statement “….Also just because you go off on a disjointed incoherent rant doesnt mean any substance is there to be found” at some point.
Joshua said,
February 18, 2007 @ 03:08
In response to the talk of what kind of men that Japanese women like, I think a few factors were overlooked and infact are more important than race, or color or even size. I have worked in Asia for almost 3 years and traveled extensively all over Asia. I think 2 things “override” race and these kind of foolish polls in Asian women liking men.
#1. Money. Asian women are not stupid. They may appear to be, act naive, but they are much smarter than they look. I am 1/2 Asian and know plenty well the Asian worldview. Money matters a lot. A guy (Asian) with a good job and a lot of financial security is seen as much more desireable than a foreigner. Many foreigners are not rich at all. I have dated many Chinese girls and there is one common trait Thay all know that with money, they can enjoy life, travel around, enjoy nature. Be it white men or black or any “race” that is more preferred than thier own, it is a matter of financial security and hope for the future (which is thier children). That is always on thier mind. They couldn’t really care less about what color, they just want to live happy and peacefully. Remember that the East and West have major philosophy differences, and often looking from the West to interpret things is quite different from looking from thiers. About looks, to be honest, most Asian girls prefer the appearance of good looking Asian men to white or black men. Asian girls really like Asian men who are about 178 - 180cm. Smart-looking and a bit mature (age 28 - 35). Ask a group of girls this question when comparing appearance, “What man looks more handsome?” not “which man would you marry?” When you ask the second question, the girl is thinking of financial stability not who is more handsome. The truth is that Asian girls find handsome Asian men more attractive than foreigners.
- Hairy - Most Asian girls don’t like hairy men, even a bit of chest and arm hair is considered “hariy”
- size - Bigger is not always better. Remember to look from thier point of view. They may stand 160cm. Do they really want a man who is 185 cm and 50 kg heavier?
#2. Character. Many people forget this aspect in these kind of polls. A guy, regardless of color or size is judged by Asian women by his color. Asian women especially like men who are caring, smart, funny, and confident. All this talk about foreigner this and foreigner that, but stay in Asia for a while and you will see that the men who get the BEST girls and women are those with some real character and charisma. Asian women like to be swept away and are looking more for a man to connect to thier hear than thier private parts. Sometimes I think foreign men are a bit naive, and I have known several who were taken advantage of.
If any of you are serious about an Asian girl, build some solid assets, have a good education, and a good job, and you can get a great Asian girl, be it Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai, Japanese, ect.
Character and money is still more important to Asian women than color or race. The most ironic thing, most European and American men are not that rich. Really want to win an Asian girl’s heart. Have enough assets that you don’t have to work. Travel around the world with her, and make sure her family is secure, happy and living a bit better than others in the community. Give her children and make sure the childen learn at least 2 or 3 languages (an Asian woman’s happiness is often with the childen). Teach her your perception on life and explore everything the world has to offer. Make sure that she has friends of her own ethnicity and not around you all the time, and have a goal, I mean something to work towards. Asian women are easy to please if you know how.
For your information: I am an International. My mother is Korean, father America. Spent a lot of time oversees, and understand the Asian worldview becasue my mother’s side.
thatgreat said,
February 24, 2007 @ 11:44
Joshua,
Your assesment must be complemented. But I would like to tell you that sometimes money is not everything. I am Canadian with South Asian heritage. I live in the US and have a good job. I dated a Korean for about 4 years. She has decided to live me so that she can marry somebody with a US citizen. I am not trying to be critical of what you have written, but you are correct in that they are very smart and manipulative.
Silky said,
February 25, 2007 @ 17:19
Some scholars at Berkeley think in 200 years 2pacs lyrics will be as important and internationally dispersed as the teachings of William Shakespears.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tbs7wWLXLpw
2PAC LYRICS
“So Many Tears”
I shall not fear no man but God
Though I walk through the valley of death
I shed so many tears (if I should die before I wake)
Please God walk with me
Back in elementary, I thrived on misery
Left me alone I grew up amongst a dyin breed
Inside my mind couldn’t find a place to rest
until I got that Thug Life tatted on my chest
Tell me can you feel me? I’m not livin in the past, you wanna last
Be tha first to blast, remember Kato
No longer with us he’s deceased
Call on the sirens, seen him murdered in the streets
Now rest in peace
Is there heaven for a G? Remember me
So many homies in the cemetery, shed so many tears
Ahh, I suffered through the years, and shed so many tears..
Lord, I lost so many peers, and shed so many tears
Now that I’m strugglin in this business, by any means
Label me greedy gettin green, but seldom seen
And fuck the world cause I’m cursed, I’m havin visions
of leavin here in a hearse, God can you feel me?
Take me away from all the pressure, and all the pain
Show me some happiness again, I’m goin blind
I spend my time in this cell, ain’t livin well
I know my destiny is Hell, where did I fail?
My life is in denial, and when I die,
baptized in eternal fire I’ll shed so many tears
Lord, I suffered through the years, and shed so many tears..
Lord, I lost so many peers, and shed so many tears
Now I’m lost and I’m weary, so many tears
I’m suicidal, so don’t stand near me
My every move is a calculated step, to bring me closer
to embrace an early death, now there’s nothin left
There was no mercy on the streets, I couldn’t rest
I’m barely standin, bout to go to pieces, screamin peace
And though my soul was deleted, I couldn’t see it
I had my mind full of demons tryin to break free
They planted seeds and they hatched, sparkin the flame
inside my brain like a match, such a dirty game
No memories, just a misery
Paintin a picture of my enemies killin me, in my sleep
Will I survive til the mo’nin, to see the sun
Please Lord forgive me for my sins, cause here I come…
Lord, I suffered through the years (God) and shed so many tears..
God, I lost so many peers, and shed so many tears
Lord knows I.. tried, been a witness to homicide
Seen drivebys takin lives, little kids die
Wonder why as I walk by
Broken-hearted as I glance at the chalk line, gettin high
This ain’t the life for me, I wanna change
But ain’t no future right for me, I’m stuck in the game
I’m trapped inside a maze
See this Tanqueray influenced me to gettin crazy
Disillusioned lately, I’ve been really wantin babies
so I could see a part of me that wasn’t always shady
Don’t trust my lady, cause she’s a product of this poison
I’m hearin noises, think she lovin all my boys, can’t take no more
I’m fallin to the floor; beggin for the Lord to let me in
to Heaven’s door — shed so many tears
(Dear God, please let me in)
Lord, I’ve lost so many years, and shed so many tears..
I lost so many peers, and shed so many tears
Lord, I suffered through the years, and shed so many tears..
God, I lost so many peers, and shed so many tears
europeantrash said,
February 27, 2007 @ 12:46
“To me it feels like being called an obese, ugly, stupid, McDonalds-bred, gun-touting, violent, loud, rude, monolinguistic, undemocratic, christian fanatic/terrorist due to the european stereotype of americans which I dare say fits reallity a lot better than the japanese dito.”
As an American let me tell you what we think of europeons, which comes close to the truth. 1. Atheist, or simply not caring for religion at all, as they think their socialist government will provide for all. 2. Slackers, relying on the U.S. to provide military protection - how long do you think Europe would cotinue to exist without American protection (you really think you can protect yourself from Russia, China, and Islamic terrorist. Do you think your nuetrality will protect you - how long do you think Sweden would have existed if Nazi Germany would have won the war (and how is Russia, China, and Islamic terrorist any different than Nazi Germany). 3. Since Europe no longer has a moral religious background to follow they tolerate any behavior because in their minds nothing is right or wrong. 4. Anti-Jewish. 5. Lazy, wanting a 35 hour work week or less. 6. Well at least Seden is not the French (surrender to everybody) or the Swiss (Nazi Bankers).